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Saturday, March 13, 2004




Response 1a

3),b),ii) “Originally Drafted”: This is reset in the off-season when a player is not kept. This is also reset when a player drafted later than the 13th round is cut. This is not reset by a trade or by cutting a player drafted in the 13th round or earlier.  (emphasis added.)

Maybe a more clear version of this section would be: The R-value (Round Originally Drafted) is only reset by the two following occurances: the player in question is not kept (during the off-season); the player is dropped at any point during the season and has a 14 or greater K-value (round kept for that year), or D-value (round drafted that year). The R-value is not reset when the player is dropped during the season and has a 13 or lower K-value or D-value. The R-value is never reset by a trade.

Thus for a situation like Z describes (if R(2001) = 8 for Kirk McCaskill, then K(2003) = 4. [Then] he's cut and then later picked up) the R=8(2001) does not change and K(2004)=1.

Another example: Dave Bergman has R=11(2007) [that is Dave was originally drafted in 2007 in the 12th round] and Dale Murphy has R=18(2007); both Dave and Dale are cut during 2007 and then picked up before the Universal Deadline and remain on their respective teams until the end of the season. Both players are eligible to be kept. Dave Bergman retains the same R-value thus his K(2008)=10; Dale Murphy is counted as a Free Agent, he now has R=FA/13(2007) thsu his K(2008)=12.

Thus we have three values:
R-value = round originally drafted.
K-value = round kept for a specific year
D-value = round drafted for a specific year.

Let's discuss Bill Buckner. He is originally drafted in 2000 in the 19th round. He is not cut in this time period and is kept for 2001 in the 18th round and for 2002 in the 15th round.

For 2000: R=19(2000); D(2000)=19; K(2000)=n/a [he was not "kept"]
For 2001: R=19(2000); D(2001)=18; K(2001)=18
For 2002: R=19(2000); D(2002)=19; K(2002)=15

A few things this was meant to illustrate:
(a) R remains the same until it is reset.
(b) D=R for the first year
(c) D=K for until R is reset.

If all that is clear then we merely need to fit those clauses into the Rules.

Response 1b

R-1, R-2, R, R-3, R+1, R-4
vs
R-1, R, R-2, R+1, R-3, R+2

Ahh, ok, I see it. Keith had this in his message Friday "12, 13, 11, 14, 10, 15" where my system said for the same situation "12, 11, 13, 10, 14, 9" [see 3) b) iii) including the examples in sub-sections (1) and (2)]

Keith was specifically speaking for the case of Free Agents; I think we have been treating other situations differently - or, rather, that was my understanding [or, even more rather, my understanding was that FA's followed my progression so I could be wrong.] My main memory used to back up the progression I used was that two players slotted for the 1st round [or, put another way, two players with K(2000)=1] could not be kept.

My best guess as to what the system has been/the best way to proceed in the future is that keith's system is correct for both Free Agents and non-Free Agents; this would mean that in the situation described in my rules draft in 3),b),iii),(2) both Kirby and Sweet Lou would be able to be kept for 2004 and they would collectively take up your 1st and 2nd round picks.

In all good and useful feedback; we need to find a way to make this all more clear (1a) and to pick out the errors (1b).

Response 2

"Fell in love with a boy" is by Joss Stone. Just don't tell nobody I sent ya. Or, better yet since the official site sucks, go to Amazon.

Response 3

Hope you enjoy the show. Or, at this point in time, enjoyed the show. Or was there another one?

Future Response

When I used Bill Buckner it was because I couldn't think of Eric Plunk or Jay Johnstone; I really did intend to refer to the player stated again but I modified my approach to enhance clarity.

Also I hope everyone is enjoying the "Greatest Hits of the 80's" approach for my examples. I find this fun but more importantly I'm choosing players that are (to the best of my knowledge) no longer active and thus we can later refer to these items saying things like "the Dave Parker situtation" or "the Wally Backman clause seems to indicate otherwise."

Also I'd like to note that I'm coming up with names of these players off the top of my head and without cheating. For most this probably would not be difficult and you would be able to come up with a more entertaining assortment; for me I'm trying my best to not always use players that either played for the Tigers or went to a World Series in the 80's (or both) but I'm not doing very well (are there any that don't meet at least one of those criteria?) because those are the players I remember best and my memory is terrible.

posted by mountmccabe  # 11:36 PM

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